Second Obama Mailer Slams Clinton Health Care Plan

Today I received the second glossy 8 1/2" by 11" mailer from the Obama for America campaign attacking Hillary Clinton in Ohio, this time zeroing in on her universal health are proposal (additional images after the break):

This attack has been aired previously. Clinton's campaign site has disputed the garnishing of wages claim in the past, although this mailer has newer supporting sources. She has more recently disputed the claim that Obama's plan reduces costs more than Clinton's plan. And Clinton regards it as misleading for Obama to fail to state in such materials that her plan seeks to mandate universal coverage, while she estimates that his plan would leave as many as 15 million uninsured.

Experts and advocates have debated the merits of the two plans, which are quite close in many ways but differ in some. Here are some resources: Wisconsin activist Robert Kraig writing in The Capital Times today, Paul Krugman's much-discussed column in the New York Times earlier this month, and an examination of all candidates' plans in the Washington Post a few days ago by Craig Stoltz, a former editor of Health.


I was told there was this guy named Barack Obama running for President as a movement of a new kind of politician who transcends traditional politics and brings people together.

So far, all I've seen is Barack Obama- typical politican. Can someone tell me when this imposter will be gone from Ohio and I can see this "new kind of politics" Obama I've been reading and hearing so much about?

Also don't miss Obama- the gun lover/hater:

Same Goal, different approaches

After I read Hillary's and Obama's plans, I recommended Obama's because it is common sense to NOT mandate coverage until it is affordable. But I can understand those who prefer Hillary's mandatory coverage. There are merits to both approaches.

What I don't understand is why Hillary suddenly started attacking Obama for lack of a mandate. They both have the same goal but different approaches. Demonizing those who don't agree with your approach is something Hillary is naturally gifted in.

Obama only puts out that mailer whenever Hillary starts attacking his plan. Fair is fair - as long as she continues to attack his plan, he should continue to attck hers. Let the American people decide.

Health care plans

Ok, lets get a few things straight. Having health insurance for everyone is a GOOD idea. Now how do we get there - offer choices for people that they can take advantage of. What do you think universal health care is all about - getting insurance for everyone.
For those who can't afford it we have medicaid and medicare. For those on the edge this will give them the boost they need to get into the system.
That's good for all of us.
This ad sinks into the mud. Get real. This isn't going to be easy but we can make it happen and the Clinton plan gets us there.

health care - read the plans- and think it through

I am not going to post the plans - too long - they are quite similar too - but here are some excerpts from compare and contrast critiques:

Newsweek: Clinton's Plan "Would Do Nearly As Well" As Obama's In Per Family Savings, But Not Quite. Newsweek reported, "For instance, the mailer says Obama's plan will save the average family $2,500 per year. That estimate comes from several Harvard professors who examined the plan at the Obama campaign's request. But Clinton says the Business Roundtable, an association of CEOs, estimates her plan would do nearly as well, saving about $2,200 per year per family." [Newsweek, 2/4/08]

Reich: Obama's Health Care Plan Would Cover "More People" Than Hillary's. "I've compared the two plans in detail. Both of them are big advances over what we have now. But in my view Obama's would insure more people, not fewer, than HRC's. That's because Obama's puts more money up front and contains sufficient subsidies to insure everyone who's likely to need help – including all children and young adults up to 25 years old…In short: They're both advances, but O's is the better of the two. HRC has no grounds for alleging that O's would leave out 15 million people." [Robert Reich,formerly of Bill Clinton's cabinet 12/3/07]

Obama Health Care Plan Saves $2500 For the Typical Family. A memo from David Blumenthal, David Cutler and Jeffrey Liebman analyzing Obama's health care plan, wrote, "Combining all of these effects – from improved health IT, better disease management, reduced insurance overhead, reinsurance, and reduced uncompensated care -- under our 'best-guess' assumptions, we estimate that businesses will save $140 billion annually in insurance premiums. The typical family will save $2500 per year."

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