What If? What's Next if Fisher and Ryan Stay Put?

George Voinovich hadn't even formally announced his intention to retire and everyone started making and taking bets on who would replace him. Virtually every political blog (and certainly every newspaper) laid out the case for and against the likely names - Portman, Kasich, Fisher and Ryan. On the Republican side, it would certainly seem like Rob Portman will be the party nominee. He's got some money in the bank and probably a whole lot more coming down the road. It doesn't ensure him a primary victory though. Lots of things can, and will happen between now and spring of 2010. But, if you were going to make the safe, put-your-reputation-on-the-line bet, you'd take Portman and be happy with it.

The Democrats have a whole different game and it's far more interesting. Over on this side, we've got a chance to pick-up a Senate seat we haven't had in over a decade. With that opportunity comes great risk. For the two people most frequently discussed as candidates, the risk may prove to be too great.

For Lee Fisher, running for the Senate means surrendering his position as Lt. Governor. Since the Governor and Lt. Gov are up for re-election, Ted would need a new running mate and a Senate loss to Portman leaves Fisher unemployed and possibly politically retired. Risky.

For Tim Ryan, running for the Senate means walking away from the House for a chance to move up to the Senate while still in his 30s. Bigger job, bigger staff, bigger office. Nice. The downside? A loss to Portman leaves Tim Ryan searching for a new job and not having many short-term options. His current seat would likely stay Democratic and be filled by a new Congressperson who would probably be untouchable. The Governor would have either been re-elected or defeated, but with four years until the next election, he'd be out of the game for a couple of years. Ryan could find a spot in the Obama administration, but that's not really a prime gig if you're looking to stay active and viable for a future run.

So what happens if Fisher and Ryan both weigh the options and opt-out? Brunner and Cordray shouldn't be moving anywhere, and why would they? If Fisher and Ryan aren't going to get in the pool, I don't see much to motivate current state office holders facing re-election (like Brunner, Cordray or Strickland). They'd have to raise far more money and would probably have tougher races against Portman than the dead weight the GOP runs for their current gigs.

The Democrats could find themselves looking at a race where they could be competitive, but not finding a candidate to run. So where does that take this discussion? To the Wild Cards! Ah, yes, the Wild Cards! The pack of interesting candidates who could (just maybe) find themselves in the right place at the right time in history. Facing long odds and a skeptical donor base, here are some extra names to kick around as candidates who could, under an odd set of circumstances, not only announce candidacies, but maybe even win the whole darn thing (or at least a primary).

Michael Coleman - Big. City. Mayor. Those three words alone should get his name in the mix. Yes, there are some family issues which could pose a problem, but he's still popular in Columbus, would probably be able to raise money and should be able to outline a concise campaign message.

Don Plusquellic - See above. Plusquellic has been Mayor of Akron since 1987. 1987, y'all! That's got to count for something, right? His name seems to be discussed every four years for Governor, but that's off the table until at least 2014. He too could probably articulate a vision, raise some early primary cash, and make a race of it.

Mark Mallory - See above, again. A former State Senator with a family history of public service, Mallory is another big city mayor who would make for an interesting statewide candidate. Could probably raise some money and would likely have several people (some with deep pockets or big rolodexes) lining up to take his office on his way out the door. He's a southern Ohioan who could give fellow southerner Portman a few extra headaches.

Dennis Kucinich - Could Dennis really run statewide and win? In any other year, I'd think not. But, with an economy on the brink of disaster, unemployment rising faster, and at the early days of a new, strengthening era of progressive activism, the Cleveland populist could (maybe) compete and win a Democratic primary. He'd certainly have a loyal progressive following both statewide and nationally. However, he had that in two runs for president and was never able to gain traction in the early primaries. Still, with a national fundraising list, anything is possible.

Elizabeth Kucinich - Bet you hadn't thought of this one yet, huh? Sure, Dennis rubs some people the wrong way. But what about Elizabeth? Possibly the more popular of the two Kuciniches, Elizabeth has been one of the most high profile congressional spouses in America. During Dennis' 2008 primaries (both congressional and presidential), Elizabeth made daily stump speeches and was actually pretty darn good at times. I don't see a single scenario where she'd be a candidate in this race, and I've got to believe the British accent won't play in most parts of the state, but she'd generate a ton of earned media and would be too compelling to dismiss out of the gate. And if you've seen her speak in public, you know she thinks she belongs on the stage. That's makes her a little dangerous in a race with no clear front-runner.

Betty Sutton - The second-term congresswoman from Northeast Ohio is relatively unknown outside her district, but she'd bring considerable labor support - possibly early in a primary - and would likely have the backing of women's groups such as EMILY's List early on. The major downside for Sutton, like Fisher and Ryan, is a loss puts her career in jeopardy.

Ted Celeste - The State Rep from the Upper Arlington area brings name ID (as the brother of a former governor), and a has a statewide run in his pocket (a loss to Mike DeWine for Senate in 2000). As an under-funded Democrat running in a Republican state, Celeste probably never had a real shot in that race. However, the map is bluer now and financial support (at least post-primary) would probably be a little easier to come by.

Chris Redfern - Young and energetic, the State Party Chair might be rewarded for his role in delivering Ohio for Obama and Strickland/Brown by earning early support of party faithful. His contacts and connections both in Columbus and statewide would probably allow him to raise the early money and lock down key endorsements. After leaving the House as Minority Leader because of term limits, you get the feeling that somehow, someday, Redfern will be back on the ballot. Now could be that moment.

Dean DiPiero - Redfern's predecessor as Minority Leader, DiPiero is the popular mayor of Parma (the 7th largest city in Ohio). Like his friend Redfern, DiPiero is young, energized, and politically sharp. He toyed with an entry in the 10th Congressional Primary in 2008 against Dennis Kucinich, but sat out in the end. Could this be an opportunity too good to pass up?

Capri Cafaro - Cafaro reportedly floated a few trial balloons at the 2008 Convention in Denver, but shortly after the November elections accepted the role of Senate Minority Leader. Smart and ambitious, Cafaro has already run for the U.S. House twice (in two different districts) before being selected to finish the State Senate term of Marc Dann as he moved up to Attorney General. The Cafaro talk seems to have completely disappeared for now, but could it re-emerge? And if Tim Ryan did run for the Senate, would Cafaro quickly eye his House seat?

Gordon Gee - The popular President of THE Ohio State University would be the most outside-the-box entrant in this race, but let's face it, the guy looks like a Senator. (More specifically, he looks like the late Paul Simon - at least in attire) With the bow tie and glasses, you can see him sitting there with Kennedy, Schumer and Dodd. He'd certainly be an interesting candidate and has probably raised more money in his stints as university president than the rest of this list combined. He'd have the fattest, most off-the-hook donor file in the state and it's filled with people who frequently drop seven figure checks the way you and I pull out debit cards.

At the end of the day, we're probably looking at one of the media-annointed front runners, but it's always fun to speculate on the "what-ifs."

The next big question is "who runs against Mary Taylor for Auditor?"

UPDATE : Sorry Bill!!! Judge Bill O'Neill, the former Supreme Court Candidate and U.S. House Candidate comments below that HE'S in the race if Fisher is out. Very interesting. Thanks Judge for the update and sorry we omitted you from the first draft.

If Lee Fisher Is Out Bill O'Neill Is In

Hey, I leave town for two weeks and already I'm forgotten! Welcome back Ohio Daily Blog. I've said it before and I'll say it again. Lee Fisher is the best candidate for the Senate seat, but the reality is that he is doing a great job as Lieutenant Governor and the Strickland/Fisher team is clearly in the category of "if it ain't broke don't fix it" Bottom line is that if Lee Fisher is out, I am in. Logic? Ran two times statewide for Supreme Court; never beaten in a statewide Democratic primary, and clearly demonstrated I can raise money in 2008. (Half A Million with NO HELP from the DCCC) I'm off on a nursing assignment for 12 weeks, but let the word go out across the land: If Lee Fisher is out, Bill Oneill is in. Now that is a simple, and unequivocal statement.

Bill Oneill

Judge, if Fisher is out, but

Judge, if Fisher is out, but Tim Ryan is in, are you still in?

Regarding the GOP side: Is

Regarding the GOP side: Is Rob Portman really the guy? He may be a soft candidate for the general with his background as trade czar at a time when millions of jobs were shipped overseas. The Republican heavyweight whose name hasn't been mentioned is Jim Petro. He apparently is focusing on running for Chief Justice of the Ohio Supreme Court. But Petro would surely be tough in a general election.

Kaptur

No mention of Kaptur? Come on.

Dissention on Ohio Daily Blog?

I couldn't help but notice that Paul Hackett is nowhere on this list... :)

I left Marcy off the list

I left Marcy off the list because I considered her (and Hackett) basically discussed already. I also left a few other names off too. My main point was to illustrate some of the more outside-the-radar picks. Kaptur is on the radar already.

Taylor is safe

No one of note will run against Taylor, and why would they? Outside of the Senate race, the rest of the GOP ticket won't command enthusiasm or money. Taylor fills the vacuum, sucks the remaining GOP money dry, and really hasn't done much to run against.

Oh, and our side will be pre-occupied by the race inspiring this post, US-SEN, and keeping Brunner in office.

Taylor skates against token opposition.

Dean DePiero

First of all, we need to memorize the spelling of his name, which seems to be an ongoing problem. (After working in Parma for three months, and seeing the "Welcome to Parma" signs every day, I've got it down.) He's clearly ambitious, but his closeness to Bill Mason and Pat "the Real" O'Malley makes me nervous. There's no evidence at all of any wrongdoing or thuggery on his part, but I have to wonder if his ties might open the door to corruption.

I hadn't thought about Redfern. That's interesting. He's very dynamic and aggressive. He could get the job done, as far as getting elected, but I don't know too much about his positions on national issues.

Also, hasn't Coleman already said he's out? Or was I dreaming that?

Dennis would be a disaster statewide, period. The Republicans would be licking their chops. His followers are ardent, but his detractors equally so, and those in the middle frequently roll their eyeballs at his antics. And don't EVEN mention Ted Celeste! Although I was pretty uninvolved in politics at the time, I specifically remember not voting for him last time (I left the race blank) because I felt he himself didn't seem to care that much whether he got elected and I wasn't going to vote for a candidate who didn't seem to be trying.

Victory at what cost?

As Democrats let's face it...every serious candidate we are discussing has one small problem. In order for them to run for United States Senate, they have to give up a safe seat that has been earned through years of hard work by all Democrats. Ryan, Fisher, Kucinich, Brunner...on and on. They are all great candidates. But at what cost do we abandon one seat in favor of another? I still think Lee Fisher is the strongest candidate...but there will be a price to pay...the Stickland/Fisher team, the flagship of the Ohio Democratic Party...is up for re-election in 2010. As I said earlier...it is time for candid talk...if Lee Fisher is out, I am in.

Bill Oneill

I was just tossing out

I was just tossing out names. Coleman did say "no" but you never know. That race is a year away. On DePiero. I blew that spelling. And I know better too having corrected others who made the same mistake.

Two questions

Because I'm too lazy to look them up. 1) Is it a matter of law that Tim can't run for Senate and House simultaneously? B/c if legal he could totally do a Biden and run without doing anything and win. 2) Is E. Kucinich an American citizen?

Obviously one question has more real import than the other.

First, on the most important

First, on the most important question...I don't know is Elizabeth is a U.S. Citizen. But neither is Obama, and he's President, right :)

I think Ohio law prohibits a dual candidacy for congress, but I'm not certain. Dennis appeared as a candidate for re-election to the House while he ran for President, so it's possible.

Zack Space

I've noticed that no one has mentioned Zack Space in this discussion. With impending redistricting and the loss of two seats in Ohio, he could be drawn in with either Boccieri or Wilson. Since he's never served in the state legislature, I could see his district being sliced up. If that's the case, he'd have a tough time in a primary against either candidate. This may be a way for us to prepare for redistricting and win this senate seat.

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